"...look at the pics and review above, it’s clear cut.". Interesting review, thanks, David. Still a tight fit, didn't get pics along the lines you suggested (due to limited time during the walk-through pre-delivery, and then the premium economy cabin being near-full of sleeping media on the overnight leg of the delivery flight itself). Stretch out with optimised legroom while feeling supported by the footrest. The new Qantas Dreamliner has now been in service for a couple of months. Mind you, many carriers fit fewer seats, with British Airways only fitting You have probably tried the current QF A380 premium economy product, this new one has effectively less legroom as explained and shown in the article. This all comes back to pitch, to the distance between the seats. I pay no attention to any review where the pax flew 'courtesy of'. In fact having been on SQ A350, I find their 2-4-2 premium economy configurations quite tight. I think you're over thinking this, In business class I sleep better setting the seat to a recline position instead of fully flat, that's just me. Qantas has unveiled the final seats for its new Boeing 787 Dreamliner planes with a new premium economy design. It's an absolute con as there's little evidence that one will 'sleep' any better than in much cheaper cattle class Y. Premium Economy sounds and looks terribly uncomfortable. Didn’t receive an activation email? Zaps I do it all the time (to DFW) and it is fine; better than economy which is the point. The business class cabin is … Boasting a seat 10 per cent wider and with a greater recline than the airline's existing premium economy product, the new premium economy cabin will feature 28 seats in a 2-3-2 … We’ll send you an email to re-activate your account and enter a new password. Discover more about travelling for business with Qantas. neighbours to get to the isle to queue for the loo - and paying a Put on our noise-cancelling headphones and tune into the latest movies, TV box sets, music and interactive games. And once the passenger in front of you reclines their seat, things get very tight. Join or renew your membership and explore the benefits, eligibility and lounge locations. The premium economy cabin on the A380 features 56 seats. Look forward to a complimentary Napoleon Perdis branded amenity kit, offered on selected flights to help you stay refreshed. If you make PE too good your not going to pay for business. Hi Guest, join in the discussion on Review: Qantas Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner premium economy seat, Executive Traveller is published by Business Travel Media Pty Ltd, a corporate authorised credit representative (#515763) of MGS FINANCIAL PTY LIMITED (#337568). Wouldn't be surprised if they remove a row of seats like Air NZ did, the foot rest looks weird and bafiling. When will Qantas reopen its international lounges? I'm confident this will be revisited after many passengers make their feeling known (including lack of feeling in their legs after that 17 hour Perth-London trek), but at this stage of the game the fix might not be rolled out until the second wave of red-tailed Dreamliners from 2019-2010... hopefully at least the A380 refit will see more pitch in the premium economy cabibn. Bob I presume spoken by one who was on the delivery flight! economy for some extra space. Like others have said, people book premium Please keep it real. View baggage allowances, purchase additional baggage, learn about dangerous goods or track lost baggage. Ways to check-in for your flight including online and on your mobile. Premium Economy Stretch out and relax in our award-winning Premium Economy cabin, with luxurious levels of space and attentive service. Power access and USB ports are provided on select aircraft. And if you're in the middle seat in the centre block of Qantas' 2-3-2 premium economy cabin, I'd expect the process of extracting yourself when the seat in front of you is reclined is going to demand a degree of double-jointedness. Restaurant and hotel reviews, photo galleries and travel articles. What a shame... Hi David, Great article, just one quick question.. does the legroom stay as tight if you are reclined as well as the pax in front? parties. Premium Economy is supposed to be a lot better than economy, nobody here is asking for business class at PE prices, but adequate legroom is an essential part of the PE product offering and this seat or rather the pitch assigned to it by Qantas doesn't deliver. Not for me. VA 777 for example PE is set at 41”, booking wise more bang for buck there. Caon has added several other passenger-friendly touches. Such a shame compared with the promise outlined to me by a friend who was an interior design engineer in the B787 project at Everett, as we checked out the fuselage mockup in 2007 during a visit there.The economics of market competition plus high barriers to exit might mean that eventually they too will succumb unfortunately, rather than try a modest price increase.So sad that the Dreamliner tag still applies but the concept which the term encapsulated when it was coined by Boeing in the early days has gone down the gurgler. Seated in an intimate and private cabin, you'll enjoy the benefits of flying premium with dedicated check-in, priority boarding, a well thought out seat design with indulgent touches to make you feel at home plus a refreshed menu and extensive wine list. Our flight was Always easy to declare a product as inferior when focusing only on its negative aspects and another product as superior when focusing only on its positive aspects. but a much nicer seat to sleep in than economy. The new seats are not much better than a Coach seat, with restricted leg … Premium Economy Economy Disclaimer: +Selected B737-800 aircraft have full seatback screens for each customer, while remaining B737-800’s are installed with inflight entertainment options to stream to your personal device via the Qantas Entertainment App. And premium I just can't get as comfortable as economy which is ironic.". His solution is this 're-imagined' legrest which works in tandem with the reclined seat with the aim of cradling your body from head to toe. Dedicated consultants specialising in group travel arrangements. Really interesting how another review l recently read, gave PE a glowing report - however that reviewer travelled as a guest of QF. Question....can I book two economy seats for myself!?? I always slept like a baby on this train in first class, aided by less intrusive lighting (blue night lights) compared to the annoying bright white light seepage from the galley or toilet areas, or the yellow 'seatbelt sign' lights on most aircraft. It will be a good idea to get Mr Qantas CEO & his mates to do a 14 hour flight in PE and see how they pull up!!!!! There's nothing to communicate either of these points to passengers. What's funny is that we all make comments about how poorly executed this Premium Economy is......but then poor Economy Class is far worse for a 17+ Hr trip. The Qantas Dreamliner features a new premium economy seat larger than its previous version seen on the Airbus A380. Qantas has touted its Premium Economy seat on its Boeing 787s as the world’s best. Great idea for short people. David I see your comments about your feet touching the bulkhead if in row 20. But my point is comments like "I actually slept worse in the JQ J seat on the 788 than I normally do in the QF Y seat on the 333/332." Indeed, if you leave your tablet sitting in the middle of the frame – again, a natural assumption – the small grip area is insufficient to hold the tablet, which then does an Olympic-grade tumble dive into your hands. 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Upgrade my browser. Already have an Executive Traveller account? I’m flying that on the inaugural QF9 mar24 and certainly confirms my initial thoughts of the publicity shots that it is tighter for legroom than I would expect. The design is wonderful, but at 6’5” tall, I think I will have to give it a miss. "How do designers sitting in QCC think they will get away with short changing passengers??". "Why the same complaints not extended here on this forum". However for some folks, such obvious facts/actual cabin specs do no matter in their SQ better than QF or 350 better than 787 comments/speculations..... "...tried the current QF A380 premium economy product, this new one has effectively less legroom as explained and shown in the article.". Successful for EK on their long haul model (no 787’s for comparison though) also successful on the VA 777 business class @ 14hr flights. This premium economy seat – and Qantas' premium economy passengers on the Boeing 787-9 – deserve better. From an AUSBT comment on Facebook: “I actually think it's a *very* good seat, it's just let down by lack of legroom – the assigned pitch would have been fine for a conventional A380-style premium economy seat, but this seat simply needs more pitch”. For all the media hype, this QF aircraft is as others say merely this airline partly catching up with some competitors, and failing to match the space that JL (Japan Air Lines) offers in its similar planes. On Qantas, the A380’s expanded premium cabin will now have 60 seats, and on the Dreamliner, 28. Qantas premium economy… There is, however, another wrinkle in the design of Qantas' premium economy seats: the foot hammock upon which much of the airline's 'revolutionary' claim has been built. David Flynn travelled on the Qantas Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner delivery flight from Seattle to Sydney as a guest of Qantas. Very thorough and impartial article - great to see. 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